Genie, Genie+, and Lightning Lane FAQs

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The awesome folks behind our TouringPlans Instagram account posted a poll over the weekend that asked followers to submit their questions about Genie, Genie+, and Lightning Lane. And they were flooded with questions. This post is going to kick off a week of daily posts that attempt to help you all in the lead-up to the Genie launch on Tuesday, October 19, 2021.

Crowds of people in Fantasyland
Will you use Genie to avoid some crowds? Well, you need to know some things in order to make that decision.

Today we’ll take all of the submitted questions (hundreds of them) and answer the ones that came up most frequently as best we can. If you have questions that aren’t answered in this post, go ahead and leave them in the comments and we’ll do our best to address them.

Questions about Basics and Logistics

Seven Dwarfs Mine Train - 105 Minute Posted Wait - March 15, 2021
In order to skip the line at Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (and 2 popular rides at each park), you’ll have to pay separately.

Which rides are only available via Individual Lightning Lane?

Which rides will be available on Genie+?

Magic Kingdom – “it’s a small world”; Big Thunder Mountain Railroad; Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin; Dumbo the Flying Elephant; Haunted Mansion; Jungle Cruise; Mad Tea Party; Mickey’s PhilharMagic; Monsters, Inc. Laugh Floor; Peter Pan’s Flight; Pirates of the Caribbean; Splash Mountain; The Barnstormer; The Magic Carpets of Aladdin; The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh; Tomorrowland Speedway; Under the Sea – Journey of the Little Mermaid

EPCOT – Disney & Pixar Short Film Festival; Journey Into Imagination with Figment; Living With the Land; Mission: SPACE; Soarin’; Spaceship Earth; Test Track; The Seas with Nemo and Friends; Turtle Talk with Crush

Hollywood Studios Alien Swirling Saucers; Beauty and the Beast — Live on Stage; Disney Junior — Live on Stage; Frozen Sing-Along Celebration; Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular; Millennium Falcon: Smuggler’s Run; Muppet*Vision 3D; Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith; Slinky Dog Dash; Star Tours; Tower of Terror; Toy Story Mania

Animal KingdomDINOSAUR; Feathered Friends in Flight!; Festival of the Lion King; It’s Tough to Be a Bug; Kali River Rapids; Kilimanjaro Safaris; Na’vi River Journey; The Animation Experience

How much will it cost?

Access to Genie+ will cost $15 per person in your party, per day. It will give you access to reserve return times for the attractions listed above, as well as some augmented reality interactions and audio tours.

Individual access Lightning Lane return times will have varied cost, depending on the attraction and demand. These will start at $7 per person, per attraction.

Can I purchase in advance? Or only day-of?

As of now, if you would like to add Genie+ to every day of your ticket package, you will be able to add it in advance to your vacation. Purchases for individual days will open at midnight the day that you would like to use it.

Can I purchase it for just certain members of my party? Or do I have to purchase it for all of them?

For Individual Lightning Lane Access, you will definitely be able to purchase it for just specific members of your party. It’s still unknown how this will work for Genie+, but you should be able to purchase it for specific party members as well.

Can I purchase Genie+ in the middle of the day if I decide that I need it?

We assume that you’ll be able to do this – it will still cost $15 per person, and you won’t get full use of it since other guests will start making Genie+ reservations beginning at 7 am.

Do Annual Passholders or on-site guests get any perks related to Genie+ or Lightning Lane?

As of now, Annual Passholders do not receive any special pricing or perks. On-site guests will have the ability to make Individual Lightning Lane Access purchases beginning at 7 am, and other guests will have to wait for these purchases until park opening. There is no Genie+ perk for on-site guests.

Questions about Repeats, Return Times, and Availability

Entrance of it's a small world
If you want to experience it’s a small world repeatedly all day, you’ll have to wait with the masses in the standby queue – other than your one allotted Genie+ reservation, if you choose to pay for it.

Can I repeat attractions? Like if my kid LOVES Peter Pan, can I just get Genie+ reservations for that all day?

As of now, it looks like you will not be able to repeat attractions with Genie+. Once you get and use a return time for an attraction, you will not be able to obtain another one for that attraction during that park day. Same for Individual Lightning Lane Access: you can only purchase access once per attraction per day.

Can I pick my return times (like I did with FastPass+) with Genie+, or is the next available time my only option?

With Genie+ it looks like the next available time will be your only option. This simplifies things on the backend, but does make it more difficult for you to plan in advance.

With Individual Lightning Lane purchases, you may be able to choose from several available time slots.

How many Genie+ reservations are realistic for one day in the park?

For some parks this is easy. At Animal Kingdom, definitely no more than 8, because that’s how many attractions (and shows) offer it. Other than that, we don’t really know. We’ll be testing it out as soon as Genie+ is available on the October 19. However, a “worst-case” scenario, assuming that availability doesn’t run out, is that you can get one reservation at 7 am, and another reservation every 120 minutes after that, until the park closes. So for a 9 pm close at Magic Kingdom, you could get reservations at 7 am, 9 am, 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm, and 7 pm. That’s 7 reservations. If you’re savvy about picking up and using reservations quickly, you could do more than that because you can make your next Genie+ reservation after 120 minutes OR when you tap into and use the first one, whichever comes first.

What does Genie+ reservation availability look like throughout the day?

Good question. We’re curious about this, too. We would hope that it would have at least as much availability as FastPass+ did (they did “sell out” for popular attractions). And ideally it should have even more availability since it’s a paid service that will therefore likely have less demand than the free FastPass+ system. This is on our list of things to collect data about during the week of the October 19.

Questions about Interactions with Other Programs

Remy's Ratatouille Adventure
Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure will require a Boarding Pass for the virtual queue, or you can purchase Individual Lightning Lane Access.

What if my Genie+ or Individual Lightning Lane Access reservations conflict with my dining reservations?

Well… don’t let them. It might happen, since your only option is the next available time. But we have no information about late arrivals for your return time. We do know that Genie+ and Individual Lightning Lane reservations are non-modifiable. So just do your best to not let that happen, but we’ll still be testing out what does happen once Genie+ becomes available.

Does Genie+ work with park hopping? What if I get a return time at my second park before I’m allowed to hop at 2 pm?

Genie+ does work with park hopping! And it may actually be a savvy move to purchase Genie+ for a day when you choose to hop between two parks so that you can do headliners at both and only pay the Genie on one day. We believe that you won’t be able to get a Genie+ reservation or purchase an Individual Lightning Lane Access for your second park with a return time before 2 pm, but this is something that we will be testing when Genie+ is available.

How will Individual Lightning Lane Access work with Virtual Queue for Remy?

As of now, it sounds like if you purchase Individual Lightning Lane Access, that means you don’t need to try to get a boarding pass at 7 am. It will likely mean that it will be more difficult to score a boarding pass at 7 am as some capacity is reserved for Lightning Lane purchases. If you do get a Boarding Group, but then later decide to purchase Individual Lightning Lane Access, we don’t know exactly how that will work yet. It’s something that we will be testing when Genie+ is available.

How will Genie+ or Individual Lightning Lane Access work with Disability Access Service (DAS)?

DAS now has a new feature – if you qualify for Disability Access Service, you will be able to register with a Cast Member during a video chat up to 30 days before your visit. During that chat, you will be able to reserve 2 experiences for each day of your visit. You must select these experiences at least 2 days before you visit each park. You will also be able to register for additional experiences the day that you are in the park via a new module in the My Disney Experience app, or continue with the in-person option currently in use in the parks. There is no further information, however, about whether or how you will be able to make Lightning Lane purchases in addition to these advance and in-park selections.

How will Genie+ or Individual Lightning Lane Access work with Rider Switch?

Rider Switch recently underwent some significant changes regarding how many people could ride on the “switch” after the initial wait. Pre-pandemic, families could utilize FastPass+ queues when using Rider Switch, and we assume that this will remain the same in the era of Genie+.

Questions about Wait Times, whether Genie is “Worth It”, and Comparisons to Touring Plans

Sample Genie screens. Image (c) Disney

How will Genie+ impact standby wait times?

Well, they certainly won’t get shorter. The answer is a big “it depends”. If Genie+ has the same demand and capacity as FastPass, then 80% of ride capacity will go toward Genie riders and 20% of capacity will go to standby. That equals much longer standby lines. However, it’s very unrealistic that Genie+ demand will match that of (free) FastPass+, so standby wait times shouldn’t be as impacted. And at least in the near-term, overall consumer demand is low and wait times haven’t gone back to their pre-pandemic normal. They’ll increase, but we won’t know by how much until we can collect some data. You can help with this by entering your standby and Genie+ wait times in the Lines App when you next visit Disney World.

Will Disney manipulate wait times to make me think that I need to purchase Genie+ or Individual Lightning Lane Access?

We already know that Disney inflates posted wait times. It stands to reason that the wait times displayed in your Genie plan will be those same inflated times, and any time savings quoted back to you will also likely be compared to those inflated numbers. It’s unlikely that Disney would attempt to artificially push these posted times even higher, because that could just get them in trouble. They have legitimate reasons for inflating their wait times, but that does put the burden on the consumer to really think critically before trusting any “purchase now” recommendations, if any exist.

Will there be premium or personalized Touring Plans that incorporate the use of Genie+ and Individual Lightning Lane Access?

Pre-pandemic, premium and personalized Touring Plans included recommendations about which FastPasses to attempt to get and use to save the most time. Once we collect enough data about Genie+ and Lightning Lanes, you can expect to see similar functionality. This will require a little patience, so if you’re travelling in the near future, see the question below regarding that specific situation.

If I can only afford Genie+ for one day of my trip, which park should I use it at?

Excellent question and critical thinking! You can review our analysis of “worth” of Genie+ (pre-data-collection) at each park in this series: MK, HS, EP, AK. Moral of the story is, Magic Kingdom and Hollywood Studios both make strong cases for being your choice. Magic Kingdom has many attractions that offer Genie+ reservations, making it easy to potentially get many reservations and save time that way. But Hollywood Studios has overall higher average waits, making each reservation that you can get potentially worth a lot. So it’s up to you whether you would rather skip many medium-length lines or a few really-lengthy lines.

Will Genie+ or Individual Lightning Lane Access even be necessary on lower crowd level days?

Will it ever be necessary? No, not on any day. You can tour without it. People have done it for years. Ha! Refer to the articles above to see the numbers about low crowd level days specifically. It depends on how you define necessary, but you could certainly make use of it at Magic Kingdom or Hollywood Studios on a low crowd level day. But you could also just tour efficiently with a touring plan and avoid it if you want.

How do the free Genie plans compare with Touring Plans?

We won’t know for sure until we can test them out, but we’ve been perfecting the art and science of a touring plan for many years. We allow you to repeat attractions and include as many (or few) attractions as you want. You can build in breaks, choose to minimize walking or waiting, switch things up in the middle of the day, and refer to information about the rides and how other users rate them. In examples and write-ups that we’ve seen so far, it seems that Genie may be limited to about 8 steps. And if you’ve experienced any reservation drop day or been on the Disney website more than… twice, you know that Stitch tends to eat a lot of pages. We certainly don’t trust that the Genie plan will be some magic cure that helps the masses.

What will be the most efficient way to tour? Touring Plan with no Genie+? Genie plan with no Genie+? Having a Touring Plan and Genie+?

This remains to be seen. We certainly have our educated guesses and firm-held beliefs. And we will be doing lots of testing when Genie+ becomes available.

Question About the Week of Launch

Well, this is all great and helpful, but you have a lot of “we’ll be testing it.” The problem is, I’m going to be there the week that Genie launches. What the heck do I do?!

Never fear, we’ve got you covered. We can’t predict the future with certainty, but we can give you whatever guidance we can. Each day this week, we’ll be posting potential touring strategies for each of the four WDW parks, based on predicted crowd levels for the week of October 19. One strategy will assume that you want to avoid being a guinea pig for Genie+, and the other will assume that you want to try it out. Magic Kingdom will post tomorrow (Tuesday, October 12), with the rest of the parks following throughout the week.

 

Do you have any other questions that you would like us to try to answer? Let us know in the comments!

 

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Becky Gandillon

Becky Gandillon was trained in biomedical engineering, but is now a full-time data and analytics nerd. She loves problem solving and travelling. She and her husband, Jeff, live in St. Louis with their two daughters and they have Disney family movie night every Saturday. You can follow her on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/becky-gandillon/ or instagram @raisingminniemes

49 thoughts on “Genie, Genie+, and Lightning Lane FAQs

  • October 11, 2021 at 12:26 pm
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    I’ll be there the week it drops, at HS on the 19th and Epcot the 20th. Your info always helps me plan our trips, so I’m thrilled to know you’ll be posting some info for those of us who will be there in the middle of all this. Thanks for all you do!

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    • October 11, 2021 at 1:02 pm
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      regarding change with rider swap you mentioned-before my husband would stay with our toddler and i’d ride first with our older child and with rider swap my husband would then ride with the older child afterwards. i read the link you had but am i correct in understanding now party 2 would not include the child who rode with party 1?

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      • October 11, 2021 at 1:54 pm
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        No, while the new policy is somewhat more restrictive, the waiting adult still can bring one other person on them for “party 2”. So if you have one older child and one who cannot ride, your older child should still be able to ride with party 1 and party 2.

  • October 11, 2021 at 1:13 pm
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    Thanks for doing all the hard work for us Disney addicts! I am going to Disneyland on Nov. 5 — I haven’t heard if Genie+ will be up and running then or not. I can say that when I used MaxPass it was great – we got really good at using one FP then making another one on our phones right away, usually while we were waiting to get on an actual attraction. FP’s didn’t run out until later in the day, and there were many times when we could FP everything we wanted before lunch. I guess we’ll see how it goes!!

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  • October 11, 2021 at 1:44 pm
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    If you purchase Genie+ but there are no “fastpasses” left by the time you use it – will you get your money back?

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    • October 11, 2021 at 1:56 pm
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      It’s highly unlikely that there will be a case where all reservations run out. Even when fastpasses were available (and free!), there was generally always _something_ to choose from. So I would be willing to guess that getting a Genie+ refund would be very difficult. The more interesting cases will likely be if you purchase Individual Lightning Lane Access for an attraction that then has unexpected downtime, but that’s obviously not something we can arbitrarily test.

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  • October 11, 2021 at 2:18 pm
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    Really looking forward to all the testing you will doing. There are so many different options: Touring plans with and without Genie+, Genie with and without Genie+, all of the above with or without Lightning Lane individual access, and to do this with all four parks! Whew! I tired just thinking about it!

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    • October 11, 2021 at 2:21 pm
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      We’re accepting donations now to cover the cost of all the cupcakes our in-park testing team is going to require to keep their energy up starting on the 19th 😉

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  • October 11, 2021 at 2:34 pm
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    When will the customizable touring plans have genie+ or ILL options? Will you need a few months data or more like a year to be able to incorporate those options?

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    • October 11, 2021 at 2:44 pm
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      Hi Zeenat!

      We expect to roll out basic support for Genie+ and LL options before the end of the month. If you book a Genie+ or LL reservation and tell us what time it is, we’ll incorporate that into your plan and optimize around it.

      Next month we’re planning to roll out a feature that tells you which Genie+ reservations to get, and when to get them, to minimize your overall wait in line. The reason for that taking longer is that we want Genie+ to roll out so we know *exactly* what its rules are. I suspect there’s stuff none of us know yet.

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      • October 11, 2021 at 5:19 pm
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        That’s great news, on TP’s plans to roll out a feature that guides you to use Genie+ to minimize line time. Can “next month” be prior to November 6, in time for my trip?!? 😉

      • October 11, 2021 at 5:50 pm
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        I’d be interested in good to plan if you plan an after lunch start at a park. Given that pet your article, you can only choose the next available genie+ time, 7am would not be an effective time for me to select my pass. But when would?

      • October 11, 2021 at 9:07 pm
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        Wow! That’s actually a lot faster than I thought! I thought maybe ya’ll would want some data first. 🙂 Touringplans is on top of it’s game!

  • October 11, 2021 at 3:36 pm
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    I wanted to confirm that after getting a Genie+ LL pass, you can get another after two hours have passed (or your arrival window has passed). I know one of your previous blogs said there would be this 120 min option, but the Disney website still doesn’t mention it at all.

    Similarly for Individual Lightening Lane Selections, will you be able to buy both at 7am (if staying onsite) or will you have to use one before purchasing another. The only language Disney has is that you must purchase ILLS “one at a time”.

    Thanks for the clarification!

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    • October 11, 2021 at 4:21 pm
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      You’re on top of the latest official information. We’d like to confirm that information, too, but that may not happen until we’ve got folks working with these systems in the parks next week!

      We believe you’ll be able to get second attraction reservation via Genie+ some amount of time after getting your first reservation via Genie+. We do not know what that amount of time will be, but after booking the Disney app should tell you the time at which you can get your next reservation. Some generally reliable sources have said 120 minutes, and I think that’s a reasonable guess; it’s what was used for FASTPASS in the past. I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney never publishes this “amount of time” in a press release, instead letting us figure that out from experience.

      We expect that you will be able to make up to two Individual Lightning Lane purchases for the day at 7:00 AM (or park opening, if you’re not staying at a Disney Hotel) with no requirement to use the first before buying the second. But, again, we do not know for sure.

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      • October 11, 2021 at 5:21 pm
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        Thank you!

      • October 11, 2021 at 6:15 pm
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        Disney Genie is an internet based system. I have been to WDW over 100 times and internet service in WDW is marginal at best. Once everyone begins using Disney Genie, I expect the AT&T internet system will crash. Time will tell, but when the system crashes, Disney Genie will stop working, leavong everyone with no way to manage their day, but to stand in lines all day.

        Another concern is internet security and the potential of park guest personal information on their cell phones to be hacked. This includes passwords, bank account information, credit card numbers, etc.

        To my knowledge, none of these concerns have been addressed by Disney.

    • October 11, 2021 at 7:09 pm
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      The Disney website (different places, so you have to look hard) says that a new G+ can be booked “once you’ve redeemed your selection or your arrival window has passed”. It also says (can’t find it now) that the maximum time before can get another is 120 minutes. It seems to work like DLR MP, except there the max was 90 minutes. This means you could book one at 7 for say 8:30 at AK and get another at 8:30, but if you’re booking something really popular and the return time is 10 am, you could book another at 9 am. At least that’s how I understand it, if it works like MP.

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  • October 11, 2021 at 3:58 pm
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    So when do we get to find out about the Disneyland Genie and Lightning Lane options? As I understand it the program for Disneyland also goes active on the 19th so where is the info for the West Coast?

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    • October 11, 2021 at 4:15 pm
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      Sorry, never mind. Evidently Disneyland hasn’t announced the start date for Genie+ and LL. I just need to stop reading articles and blogs that insist on not being clear on which park they are talking about.

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    • October 11, 2021 at 8:58 pm
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      There have been some credible rumors about which attractions will qualify for each “tier” (Genie+ vs Individual Access), but nothing officially released yet. If the IT behind this new system is anything like most other Disney IT ventures, there will definitely be some kinks to work out before it migrates out west.

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  • October 11, 2021 at 4:18 pm
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    Do you think MDE will update before midnight of the 18th? Surely they have to push the app updates before then!

    I’m one of the lucky(?) ones there next week; planning MK on the 19th and I’m probably going to give this a try. So when do you think we will actually SEE this in MDE? I don’t mind trying it, but don’t want to waste my entire morning trying to figure out how to purchase/navigate.

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    • October 11, 2021 at 9:00 pm
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      Your guess is as good as ours regarding when you might actually get the ability to purchase. But there will undoubtedly be a steep learning curve (for guests _and_ for Disney Cast Members and IT) on the 19th.

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  • October 11, 2021 at 4:39 pm
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    Would you need to purchase genie + for a 2 year old if a parent with genie + already has it?

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    • October 11, 2021 at 9:01 pm
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      Since your 2-year-old won’t have a ticket, there should be no way to purchase Genie+ for them. It should work like most other things, where they just go along with your party. That being said, this isn’t something we can easily test. We’ll ask the question, but if you get direct experience with how it works, let us know!

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      • October 11, 2021 at 11:16 pm
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        Thanks Becky. We are going November 8 through the 11th and will let you know.

  • October 11, 2021 at 6:08 pm
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    Will good neighbor hotels count toward the 7am start or just Disney properties?

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    • October 11, 2021 at 9:05 pm
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      Good question, Nyost. I wasn’t able to find a specific answer to that question. The language does say “on-site”, but that’s been a fuzzy definition before. We’ll make sure to ask!

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      • October 14, 2021 at 5:35 pm
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        My understanding it’s for Disney Resorts and Dolphin/Swan. Thats it.

  • October 11, 2021 at 6:46 pm
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    We are going on october 24th to 29th. Been using Touringplans for over 10 years so that’s not gonna stop. Thank you so much for giving us input on this and I will be watching that carefully. One thing to consider is to compare an individual lightning Lane or genie plus especially if rope dropping. It is about the same money. For example if I have an LL for rise. I think I should be able to rope drop the other ones I would get valuable genie pass for. Same logic for animal kingdom and flight of passage. Fiscally and timewise That may be better than waiting for the top-tier ride I can’t get on genie plus for but really want to ride. That is our plan now genie plus for MK. If I don’t get on mine train that will be fine. And then Epcot is up in the air right now. Maybe I’ll just drink instead.

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    • October 11, 2021 at 9:06 pm
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      Great point, Kathleen. If you only want to skip one big line, the Individual Access is potentially the way to go, especially if the surge pricing doesn’t go too high.

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  • October 11, 2021 at 6:49 pm
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    Another question to add to the list of things to find out once launched:
    If a person is staying off-property, what does purchasing individual attraction passes “at opening” mean (published park opening time, through the turnstile, within wifi range…)? Hoping for Resistance and FOP passes, yet wondering if they will sell out during spring break before off-property people get a chance.

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    • October 11, 2021 at 9:07 pm
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      We’ll keep an eye on this question, Karen. I doubt that Individual Lightning Lane Access will sell out before the parks open, but the variable pricing may increase the cost if a bunch of on-site folks book it before off-property guests become eligible.

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    • October 12, 2021 at 3:45 am
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      “At Opening” means official park opening time. You do not need to be at the park, or even in the state. Remember, no cancellation or refunds.

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  • October 11, 2021 at 7:11 pm
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    Do you have to have a park reservation in order to make an individual Lighting Lane purchase? I plan to park hop to Epcot and would like to ride Remy in the evening? I am staying at OKW, so I can make our purchase at 7am, but I can’t try to get a boarding group since my reservation for that day is at AK.

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    • October 11, 2021 at 9:08 pm
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      Dyana, this is something we’ll be testing in the first day or two! Disney’s language specifically states that you can purchase Individual Lightning Lane Access in two different parks (for example, Flight of Passage and then Remy). We’d guess that you could purchase both at 7 am, but whichever are not in your first park would have return times only after 2 pm. That would be the intuitive way to do it at least …

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  • October 12, 2021 at 12:35 am
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    Thanks for all the info! We also will be there next week for the trial by fire experience of Genie+. Luckily we arrive on the 20th, so I may be able to get a little extra info before we’re in the parks.

    My question… will LL be available during the deluxe resort extended evening hours and/or special events like BooBash? Guessing LL will not be needed in these situations, but if I already purchased LL for the day, would be nice to know if it will still be available.

    So far my plan is to try out Genie+ and be a guinea pig. I’m trying to strategize how to tackle it, but already having the “what to do first at 7am” dilemma. For example, should I buy RotR before I make a LL reservation for Slinky Dog Dash? The 7am window to purchase IAS is a nice perk of staying on property, but with it all being so new, it’s hard to know what to prioritize. Regardless, I’m looking forward to your upcoming videos to help me plan. Although I am not taking any chances with just using the Genie app plans on MDE. I already have plans for each day on the Touring Plans Lines app, so I feel relatively prepared for a bumpy roll out.

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    • October 12, 2021 at 8:00 am
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      It sounds like you’re well-prepared, Marty! Like Steve mentions below, it’s unlikely that LL will be available during early entry, extended evenings, or special events.

      Here’s what my personal list of what to attempt at 7 am would be:
      1) _Before_ 7 am, make sure I’ve purchased Genie+ for the day, if I’m doing an individual day purchase. This purchase ability is supposed to open up at midnight, so I can do that before 7.
      2) If I need to get a boarding group this day, do that very first thing.
      3) Next, make my first Genie+ reservation. Since that kicks off my 120 minute timer, I want to get that ticking as soon as possible.
      4) Then decide if I want to purchase the Individual Access for any attractions and do that. If you’re onsite, you’ve already got an advantage over off-property guests, but you’ll be “competing” against them on the other two, so they’re more important to do first.

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      • October 12, 2021 at 7:42 pm
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        Thanks for the tips, it’s very helpful advice! I’ll keep checking Touring plans info and comments while in Disney, in case I need to adjust any strategies. Really good to know LL is most likely only during regular park hours, since that’ll save me from purchasing it a of couple days.

  • October 12, 2021 at 3:36 am
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    Love your gram and good luck with all the testing of Genie + ! I know you will have all the answers by the time we visit from the UK ( fingers crossed) in April 🙂 I have a question about how Genie+ stacks up if you have forked out for deluxe accommodation and have the potential extra 2 hours park time in the evening, what happens during that time for both kinds of lightening line selections? Hoping they might not be needed obviously. Thanks !

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    • October 12, 2021 at 3:51 am
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      Assuming Genie+ works like FastPass, Lightning Lanes will only be open during main park hours. We will be testing this once Genie+ starts.

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  • October 12, 2021 at 9:38 am
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    I am assuming the Disney Swan would be an “on-site” resort but was it specifically mentioned? The Swan/Dolphin/Shades of Green are usually lumped in with on-site resorts but I wanted to verify. Thank you!!!

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  • October 12, 2021 at 12:26 pm
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    My FAQ is always going to be WHY would anyone want to pay extra to go on a ride for a service that used to be included with your admission ticket???
    Especially when a good optimized touring plan can already limit line time and allow for an enjoyable park visit!

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    • October 12, 2021 at 12:35 pm
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      For people who visit this site, the answer may be THEY SHOULDN’T (depending on how the tests that the TP crew goes starting next week). But for the masses, the people who don’t even know Touring Plans exists, they are going to eat this up. It will the be the same group that purchase Express Pass at Universal (or get them “free” at Universal’s deluxe resorts) or get Flash Passes at a Six Flags park. Throwing money the parks will quickly solve the problem of riding the most rides in one day. But we “Liners” are planners and I fully expect a touring plan will enable us to get through the parks quickly and efficiently without buying any of these extras that used to be free.

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    • October 13, 2021 at 4:00 pm
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      I’m counting on using BOTH! But as to WHY … mostly because of anticipated holiday/school vacation crowds. In addition, we are staying off-property (3 room condo comes out cheaper even with Genie+ each day), but currently, that means we miss rope drop . Finally, the last time the others in my group visited WDW was 10 years ago, thus, “the line is too long — let’s fit it in next year” isn’t really an option. If the choices are to wait 2-3 hours for Flight of Passage, never get a chance to ride, or pay…. I agree that typical October visitors probably won’t need it, but for those of us travelling under less than ideal crowd conditions, Genie+ and/or the individual attraction passes may be worth it (along with a good touring plan).

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  • October 19, 2021 at 6:26 pm
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    Watched your video today, I still have questions/ concerns about late park hours. In my scenario, we won’t arrive at the first park until after 1. Looking at genie only on the app, Disney says they will plan my day without asking what time I get there. And it appears that while as a Deluxe guest I have access to genie+passes at 7am day of, only next available is offered so I can’t even think about scheduling until all the available times prior to 1 are used up- which puts me constantly on the phone after 10am. I can really only scheduleOnly lighting lane high dollar individual rides at 7am. Do I understand this correctly so far?

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  • October 24, 2021 at 6:46 pm
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    two questions:
    1- can I pay for IAS at 7:00am and ALSO book LL using Genie+. Meaning can I pay for Space Mountain at 3:00pm and Seven Dwarfs at 5:00pm and still be able to get LL for Buzz at 9:30 and then Small World at say 10:00am (after I use Buzz). Will the purchased rides exclude me from booking other LL rides?
    2- I have a party of 25! Will that hurt my chances of getting rides? Do they count the number in my party? Should we split up and book separately?
    THANKS

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    • October 24, 2021 at 9:09 pm
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      1) Yes, Individual Lightning Lane rides (like Space Mountain and Seven Dwarfs) are totally independent from Genie+ purchases. So you can do both on the same day, or just one of the two, or neither.
      2) That’s a large party! Unlike dining reservations, _in general_ party size should’ve have as much impact on your return time availability. These are just large buckets of availability, and they’re not reserved for certain group sizes. Each buck does have a finite size, but if there aren’t enough left in the current bucket, it should just push you out by a 5 or 10 minute increment to the next group.

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  • November 1, 2021 at 3:57 pm
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    I’m curious if Genie plus can be used as it is with park hopping if you do not have a park hopping ticket? For example, our second park for the day would be Magic Kingdom for an after hours event. So if we start the day at Animal Kingdom and are going to Mickeys after hours Christmas event where we can gain entry to MK at 7pm and it doesn’t close until 9, if we purchase Genie+ would we be able to make Genie plus selections for the Magic Kingdom for anytime after 7pm? I personally do not think purchasing Genie + for AK is a good buy, but if we could stack our first two hours at Magic Kingdom with some rides in order to spend more time at the event watching the entertainment, it maybe worth the purchase. I know it’s a risk as to what if any Genie + selections would still be available for the day but curious if it would even work with out a park hopper ticket type.

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