When Can I Book My Next Genie+ Attraction?

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It’s been more than a month since Genie+ went into effect at Walt Disney World. The conditions under which guests could get their next Lightning Lane return time have varied. On November 21, 2021, a change was made that affected when a guest could make a new Lightning Lane reservation. The change is minor but did cause some confusion.

The current rule to book your next Lightning Lane reservation is you can book a new Lightning Lane reservation after one of these events:

  • 2 hours after making a Lightning Lane reservation
  • 2 hours after the park open if you made your first Lightning Lane reservation before the park opened
  • after using your last booked Lightning Lane reservation
  • after your last booked Lightning Lane has expired.

Before November 21, you could book a new Lightning Lane reservation after using a Lightning Lane reservation or after a Lightning Lane reservation expired.  Also, it was possible that the above triggering events could be doubled up allowing guests to book two or three Lightning Lane events off of one Lightning Lane.

If you are not sure if you are eligible to book another Lightning Lane reservation, try. If you try to book a Lightning Lane reservation and it is too early, the Disney app will tell you who is not eligible.

Here is an example with the current rules:

  • 7:00 – Booked the first Lightning Lane (LL1) for 1:00
  • 11:00 – (2 hours after the park is open) Booked a second Lightning Lane (LL2) for 12:00
  • 12:00 – Entered LL2
  • 12:02 – Since the last Lightning Lane reservation (LL2) was used, booked LL3 for 1:30
  • 1:00 – Entered LL1
  • 1:02 – Cannot book a fourth Lightning Lane (LL4)
  • 1:30 – Entered LL3
  • 1:33 – Since the last Lightning Lane reservation (LL3) was used, booked LL4 for 6:00
  • 3:33 – 2 hours after booking LL4 I booked LL5 for 6:30.
This example is using a 9 a.m. park opening

Stacking

The claims on Social Media that Disney is now preventing “stacking” are incorrect. The term stacking is shorthand for holding multiple Lightning Lane reservations at the same time. The example above shows that LL1 and LL2 are stacked starting at 11 and LL4 and LL5 are stacked starting at 3:33.

Stacking is a good strategy especially if you are park hopping. You can tour your first park, and keep collecting Lightning Lanes for your afternoon park(s). To the right, is “My Day” where I started in the Magic Kingdom, but I got all my Lightning Lanes reservations for EPCOT and Hollywood Studios.

Juggling

Mapping out a Lightning Lane strategy sitting at home with a spreadsheet is much easier than implementing it at the parks. I found having a specific home page on my phone helped. Everything I needed was on one screen. I have a section for keeping notes. A section for the weather. A timer so I can know when my 2 hours have passed so I can book another Lightning Lane reservation. And finally links for apps.

Future Genie Adjustments

I expect and hope to see other refinements in the Disney app.  I hope Disney improves the “My Day” tab. I found it difficult to find the Lightning Lane reservations that I had already made. There was too much information I did not care about. The image to the right is “My Day” after telling Genie I was going to park hop. Can you find my Lightning Lane reservations? Currently, the available Lightning Lane return time on the “Tip Board” often changes once you select the attraction. The “Tip Board” has an option to “Add a Guest” to a current Lightning Lane reservation, but when I tried to add a guest, it gave the added guest a different return time than the original Lightning Lane reservation.

The current behavior of adding additional Lightning Lane reservations seems to be working as initially intended. Sleuths on the internet noticed that current rules are vague and no longer specifically mention 120 minutes.

Do you have any questions about Lightning Lane? Let us know in the comments.

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18 thoughts on “When Can I Book My Next Genie+ Attraction?

  • December 2, 2021 at 11:39 am
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    Disney – are you paying attention to this? This is insanely complicated. Who wants this?

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  • December 2, 2021 at 11:53 am
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    Are you serious? This level of detail, tracking, and attention is exactly the opposite of a relaxing day. I thought vacation was supposed to relieve stress, not add to it. Plus, you get to spend $15 for the pleasure of obsessing over your phone screen for the entire day. It’s like a bad SNL skit.

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  • December 2, 2021 at 12:12 pm
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    There was a “stacking” technique that used an exploit that Disney apparently did not predict that was recently closed. Maybe that’s what others on social media was referring to. In that technique, exploiters were allowing their window to expire. They would make another reservation at that time, then tap in to the first ride and utilize the reported 15 minute grace period for showing to late. Genie would now allow them to make a second reservation, so instantly they were able to hold two reservations continuously for the rest of the day.

    But that technique no longer works.

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    • December 2, 2021 at 12:26 pm
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      This is what I was reffering to when I said “it was possible that the above triggering events could be doubled up allowing guests to book two or three Lightning Lane events off of one Lightning Lane.”

      Since the loophole is gone, I did not feel it was needed to go into the details.

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      • December 6, 2021 at 11:31 am
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        Can you schedule fast passes for times other than what is offered?

    • December 3, 2021 at 12:19 pm
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      “Exploiter” is such a strong word. How about “maximizer” instead? 😉

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  • December 2, 2021 at 1:46 pm
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    Genie plus is the biggest scam Disney has ever pulled. Paying $15/day for less than we got with the old fast pass system. The pandemic was an excuse to overhaul a system that wasn’t broken and it was made much worse.

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    • December 2, 2021 at 1:57 pm
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      Genie was announced in late 2019 if I recall. But I don’t think there was any announcement about it being a paid version of Fastpass at the time, but more of a way to play your day and what order to experience attractions. Gee…wonder where I have heard of that concept before?

      The pandemic definitely has given them an excuse to implement all the changes, though. Watch Defunctland’s “Fastpass: A Complicated History” documentary, and he says the exact same thing.

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  • December 2, 2021 at 4:08 pm
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    Of course that $15 PLUS TAX

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  • December 2, 2021 at 8:29 pm
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    Let me pay Disney $$$ and then CUT-IN-LINE (because I have the monetary right) as per Disney to make others wait just a bit longer so I can get preference.

    Please Bob Chapek…. Six Flags is hiring and you are so qualified.

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  • December 3, 2021 at 11:54 am
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    I won’t address how horrible, confusing, etc., Genie system is or how good old Bob should go, but how it never ceases to amaze me how fast people can come up with ways to scam the system. Of course, if I was young enough or smart enough to find a way around this “relaxing” debacle, I’d probably do the same thing. I’ve lived through all of the changes at Disney since 1971 and I’ve learned the rules, begrudgingly at times, but this one…………….
    At my age, changes are sometimes hard, but I have to say, I’m having a lot trouble wrapping my head around Genie! I’d much rather kick it in the derriere.
    Logic seems to have disappeared from the Disney vocabulary, but they certainly have perfected the art of trying to BS their park guests into believing this stuff has been done just to make their visit better and, and first and foremost, RELAXING . Bring me more kool-aid!!!

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    • December 3, 2021 at 12:39 pm
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      With the large number of sites devoted to Disney parks (including this one), it is no surprise that so many people can figure out how to maximize the system and occasionally exploit loopholes. Really, isn’t that is what Touring Plans does is help us maximize whatever system Disney uses?

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  • December 3, 2021 at 1:13 pm
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    If you are over 50 and you don’t have a Tech expert on vacation with you you just as soon stay home!! You are at the mercy of Disney’s Executives!!

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    • December 3, 2021 at 1:15 pm
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      What if you are over 50 and you are the tech expert? 🙂

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  • December 3, 2021 at 1:44 pm
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    I’m way over 50, not exactly a tech expert, but I’m not a tech dummy either. My brain works better when the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, not a circle or a half circle.
    It’s not the destination that’s the problem right now, it’s the journey. And I’m lost.
    I’m also hard-headed and determined so I’m sure I’ll get this eventually. I’ve adapted to the other changes in Fast Passes, Fast Pass+, et al, but that doesn’t mean I always found it easy or enjoyable.
    I’d just like easy and uncomplicated.
    And yes, Touring Plans is essential but it still doesn’t make it easy.

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    • December 3, 2021 at 2:46 pm
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      As I always tell anyone that goes to Disney with me: Trust the touring plan. Right now I would trust just a Lines app touring plan over paying for Genie+ and trusting the free portion of the Genie app to steer me in the right direction.

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  • December 29, 2021 at 8:51 pm
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    Hi., I’m fascinated by all of this, but I wonder if you could help us out with an example that doesn’t assume the guest is starting onsite. How do you book Genie+ if you can’t book anything until park opening? Thanks so much

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    • December 30, 2021 at 11:44 am
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      Anyone that has paid for Genie+ can book their first Lightning Lane reservation at 7 am. Off-site guests have to wait until park opening to purchase Individual Lightning Lane Attractions.

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