November Crowds Are Larger Than Usual in 2017, At Disney World And Universal Orlando

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Crowds at Orlando Theme Parks are larger than normal so far in November. The Crowd Calendars for Universal Orlando Resort and Walt Disney World are reporting crowd levels one to two points higher than we usually see this time of year. We have some theories as to why we are seeing the increase.

  1. Times are good. The economy is churning along and gas prices are stable. When the economy is stable, travel tends to increase.
  2. Hurricane Irma re-bookings. Guests that had to cancel because of the hurricane re-booked for early November, a time when crowds are usually low and free dining was still available.
  3. November Popularity. As more and more guests travel to Orlando each year the number of available dates with low crowds has dwindled. So, moderately crowded weeks become busy ones.

Because the higher crowd levels are occurring at both Walt Disney World and Universal Orlando we don’t think the influx has anything to do with park operations like what we saw at Disney World in Fall 2016 and Fall 2015. We don’t see any indication from the school schedule data to suggest that is the answer either. So, one of the three theories is likely the culprit – or more likely, a combination of the three. But first, let’s take a look at how crowded it has been.

Crowds have been higher than expected recently at Orlando Theme Parks

We know that part of the increase in wait times this year at Walt Disney World is due to the impact of new attractions like Pandora and to the closure of other attractions at Disney Hollywood Studios. But the magnitude of the increase that we have seen in early November (and also early October) is significant. Wait times are 10 to 15 minutes higher than what we would normally expect for this time of year. Each index level on the Crowd Calendar represents roughly 10 minutes of average wait so the one and two point underestimates we have seen lately coordinate with the wait times we see in the chart.

The forecasts that we create for wait times take into account much more than just the historical averages. We use a 30-day trend that helps adjust the predictions in the direction of the most recent information. Also, our models account for the Pandora affect and the reduced capacity caused by closed attractions. But even with these adjustments, wait times are higher than expected.

If the driving factor turns out to be the Hurricane re-bookings then it is likely the impact will be short-lived. If it is the other two then the affect may last longer. The good news is that the impact on a personalized touring plan is nearly negligible. By arriving early and completing the busiest attractions in the morning, the total amount of time spent in line is unchanged from previous years if you follow a touring plan.

We currently have no plan to update the Crowd Calendar predictions. We prefer to see how the next few weeks play out. But as always, we continue to track wait times on a daily basis and will inform you when an update is in order. If you arrive in park and see longer lines than predicted, make sure to re-optimize your plans, that will ensure your plan is adjusted for the most recent information.

Fred Hazelton

Fred Hazelton maintains the crowd calendar, theme park wait time models and does hotel rate analysis for the Unofficial Guides. He's also done the models for the new mobile wait times product Lines. Fred Hazelton is a professional statistician living in Ontario, Canada. His email address is You can also follow him on Twitter: @DisneyStatsWhiz.

4 thoughts on “November Crowds Are Larger Than Usual in 2017, At Disney World And Universal Orlando

  • November 13, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Yes, we were there last week and the crowds were insane everyday. When the PeopleMover has a wait, you know you are in trouble!

  • November 14, 2017 at 10:46 am

    We went last weekend (Nov. 11-12) and can attest to the crowd levels in Epcot in the late afternoon/evening on Saturday. It was the last weekend for Food/Wine Fest plus there had to have been some kind of college frat/sorority thing going on – there were TONS of them. Movement was difficult and exceptionally long lines for everything – food/wine fest related or not – in the world showcase. We ended up bailing out and hanging at the Abracadabar in the Boardwalk resort. Sunday was noticeably less crowded at Epcot.

  • November 14, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    we were there last week…crowds seemed crazy but with our personalized touring plan we had basically no time in lines!!! it was fantastic! what through us off our plan was a 1:10 reservation at Tusker House that was delayed until 1:40…although they did an amazing job with food allergies so in the end we didn’t mind! got on to NRJ in 5 minutes with a fastpass in the afternoon.

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